Good morning! Just getting around to emails (I don't usually work on Wednesdays) and Alec beat me to the punch on this.
I'll answer what I can in short form below to avoid a massive wall of text for everyone else regarding CVMAP, but if you have further questions we can take it off the list to avoid spamming the board. How does random sampling work for CWE statistics? This doesn't seem CVMAP specific, so I'll defer to others for this. Why are CNA's held accountable for old data (CVE's from 2000) within new audit reports? CVMAP currently operates by reviewing the last 40 CVEs with changes by the CNA or NVD analyst at the end of each day. This is specifically designed so we can account for any changes made to CVE records for whatever reason. (Otherwise there would be an inverse complaint from CNAs who choose to update older CVE records due to updated practices/understandings etc..) Are CNA's expected to constantly go back and update old data every time new CWE data becomes available? We do not impose any requirements like this on CNAs or even NVD staff. However, if a better option is available and a party is aware of that...updating the record would be in the best interest of any downstream data consumer. This would be no different for any other datapoint provided through the CVE program or public advisories...(not just within the scope of NVD or CVMAP). Vulnerability data is not static and understandings do change over time. If resources allow, organizations should provide data updates where appropriate. Chaining seems to also throw the statistics off. If a CNA only assigns one ID and NVD lists two, then this counts against the CNA. Vice versa also applies. IMHO this doesn't seem to make sense. CWE is a bit tricky to make comparisons between information providers for a few reasons. To help mitigate against negative assessments through CVMAP we only perform audits based on the values provided by NVD analysts. In the case that a NVD analyst believes more than one CWE value is appropriate the CNA would be assessed against both of those values, however, if the NVD provided a single CWE value and the CNA provided multiple, the CNA would only be assessed based on the value provided by NVD. This is intended to allow CNAs to provide data they believe is appropriate without negatively affecting the CVMAP results if NVD staff only found information to associate a single value. The NVD does not currently support the concept of CWE chaining within our data set, but we do have plans to implement something like this in the future. We have been in discussions with the CWE team directly on this subject. It would probably be best to include the CWE team on further discussions for this topic since this is not something that can be communicated via the CVE Program JSON or NVD data (let alone how to include this within CVMAP operations if possible). Hope this covers the bases, if not just reach out and we can continue the discussion. V/r, Christopher Turner National Vulnerability Database, NIST christopher.tur...@nist.gov<mailto:christopher.tur...@nist.gov> From: Alec J Summers <asumm...@mitre.org> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 9:54 AM To: jw...@redhat.com; CWE CAPEC Board <cwe-capec-board-list@mitre.org>; Turner, Christopher A. (Fed) <christopher.tur...@nist.gov> Subject: Re: Some questions on expectations of CNAs Jeremy, Thanks for your note. This is a great topic for a larger discussion, I believe. But till then... elements of your email point more directly to CVMAP and questions that perhaps @Turner, Christopher<mailto:christopher.tur...@nist.gov> could answer best. Cheers, Alec -- Alec J. Summers Center for Securing the Homeland (CSH) Cyber Security Engineer, Principal Group Lead, Cybersecurity Operations and Integration ------------------------------------ MITRE - Solving Problems for a Safer World(tm) From: Jeremy West <jw...@redhat.com<mailto:jw...@redhat.com>> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:55 AM To: CWE CAPEC Board <cwe-capec-board-list@mitre.org<mailto:cwe-capec-board-list@mitre.org>> Subject: Some questions on expectations of CNAs Hi Everyone, I hosted a CWE discussion within Red Hat today and had the following questions asked ... which I don't have answers to. I'm hoping someone else here on the board can point me in the right direction. How does random sampling work for CWE statistics? Why are CNA's held accountable for old data (CVE's from 2000) within new audit reports? Are CNA's expected to constantly go back and update old data every time new CWE data becomes available? Chaining seems to also throw the statistics off. If a CNA only assigns one ID and NVD lists two, then this counts against the CNA. Vice versa also applies. IMHO this doesn't seem to make sense. 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